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Episode 219

219 - Reloading For The Next Decade

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Finally.

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The medic Has come back.

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That was my best rock impression.

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Hope you guys liked it.

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I did, at least it was fun doing it.

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All right.

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Today's episode is going to be all about the things that we learned

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over the summer, and then where we want to take Medi-Cal in this 2.0

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version that we've talked about.

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And that's why we took the break.

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We felt like we got pickled.

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We knew we could do better.

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So we took time off centered ourselves, came back with a plan

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on where we're going to go and how we're going to help everybody.

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Learn.

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So we are excited about it.

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I hope you guys are Here we go.

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This is what drugs.

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Josh what's on your mind.

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You were the one that said you were primed and ready to go, Robert,

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but you're the driver clearly.

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Oh my gosh.

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All right.

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Since Mr.

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Intro can intro, this is going to be a two piece episode, like a part dog.

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No, not a part like a two piece chicken from KFC, get a leg

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and a thigh, a leg and a thigh.

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Yeah, so we're gonna cover one part.

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The first part is gonna be things we observed, learned while we were breaking

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while we took our first ever break.

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Okay.

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Here at the MetCast and then the second half is gonna be where we going, where

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we'd like to go, where we think we can go.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Can you do that?

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Can you handle that?

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Do you have any notes?

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I don't.

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You do.

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I know I'm intimidated by your notes.

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So why don't you start, I'll start.

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What did you learn?

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I'll start Robert.

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There's that one thing,

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I hope some of our listeners are laughing because it's difficult over here.

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What it's just difficult.

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You know what I've gotten outta practice.

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Josh, do you feel that it feels a little awkward?

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Doesn't it?

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Does.

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We don't have our little repe rep Parque.

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Yeah.

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It, it does.

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That's all right.

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We're gonna develop.

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We're gonna get a back.

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It's gonna be better than no.

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It'll come back.

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It's it's like riding a bike.

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Have you tried riding a bike lately?

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No.

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Yeah.

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Don't no, I'd kill myself.

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all right.

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One of the big things for me over the summer a couple things

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happened career wise, where.

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One of the last things I talked about before we took a break, was me moving

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over to lead a Bitcoin mining company and everything that went along with that.

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And then as you may or may not know, Bitcoin crashed quite drastically.

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And unfortunately I didn't have time to.

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Generate revenue sources that weren't dependent on the price of Bitcoin.

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So I had to leave moved into a consulting role, but in that process, I really

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started to pay attention to myself.

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Thanks to my therapist and servant leaders, which we both are.

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And we both strive to be, we're not good at serving ourselves and self care.

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It's always helping others.

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So that's something I've spent a lot of time trying to.

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allow myself to do the servant leadership, but also serve myself.

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So for any other servant leaders, which I'm assuming there are many out there

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that are listening to this, hit the pause button and think about, do you

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take care of yourself or is it always about the success of the team or whatever

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product or whatever your focus is?

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I have.

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I've been talking a lot about the actual coaching growth wheel, which

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has a self-mastery component in the middle it's like the hub of the wheel

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and the coaching wheel is this like sort of stance model like coaching stance.

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And and I've been not only by talking about it when I'm presenting the

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wheel and talking about the book, the coaching book, but it's forced

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me to think about it myself a lot.

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Like self mastery.

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Self growth.

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Self-awareness self care are all of the things in that.

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And it's weird.

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I'm aligned with what you're saying.

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And I've had time, not just because of you, but work has been slow for me.

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So it's not just the break we had in the me cast.

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But work has slowed down.

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And what I've found is I've had some quote unquote free time

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and it's allowed me to ideate.

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It's allowed me to be creative.

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It's allowed me to think about what's.

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and normally I'm just like charging, I'm like a bull I'm

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like charging forward, right?

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Yeah.

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And just doing work or doing training classes or something.

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And I'm still doing a little bit of that, but having time to think to put yourself

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first to think about what might be next longer term I think is incredibly, and

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it's hard when I initially do it, it's oh, this feels really uncomfortable

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because it's like, yeah, you feel guilt.

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You feel guilty?

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I also think there's a skill thing.

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You're just like, oh, like now what do I do?

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And I've been working, I've been working through that.

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And at the end of the day, I think it's incredibly healthy.

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I'm still navigating that.

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And it's still awkward to some degree, but I'm trying to plan the future.

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Now I'm planning.

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You are pivoting in your career.

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And you have some personal things and things that, so you're pivoting.

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And I'm pivoting into semi-retirement.

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And so that's part of what I'm, what's happening with me too, is that, but

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I'm finding that it, it's powerful.

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Like the self-care is really important.

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You let it go and it's worth practicing.

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It's worth immersing.

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And it's making me a better coach it's making, so I see a direct correlation

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between having some of that self time.

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And then when I do work, it's I'm working better, so I'm my coaching is.

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yeah it was so the divorces created this situation where the kids are split 50,

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50, so every other week it's just me and that organization that I was serving the

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family, a large focus of my time was gone.

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So now what do I do when I'm not working?

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And that was a real struggle for me.

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So what I ended up doing.

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Working more because that's how I filled in that gap.

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Oh, there's a gap.

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There's this organization that's gone.

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But I wanna focus here because that's that's what makes me happy when

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it really was just filling a void where I needed to actually like,

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fill the void with value for myself.

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So for all of you, servant leaders are out there, hit that

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pause button and make sure.

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Talking to yourself about yourself, where you want to go, the things you

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wanna do the most powerful question that I got asked that I haven't

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answered yet, that I'd like everybody to ask themselves is what's your

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perfect day and your perfect day.

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Can't include.

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your family or your teammates or anything.

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If you're just alone, what are the things that make you

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really happy that you can do?

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And I struggled to answer that.

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I still struggle to answer that because my happiness was generated by the

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success of others that I helped when, or deliver or grow, whatever it might be.

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So don't fall into that trap if you can.

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I don't even know if it's a service.

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I think everyone.

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So when we say servant leader, I think it's, it's a leadership thing

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or it might say, oh, the leader listeners, this message is for you

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and it's not for the non-leader.

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Yeah, you're right.

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And I think it's everyone reevaluate.

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It's imagine yourself without work.

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I think we all get sucked into work.

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We get sucked into whether it's serving or work and again, I'm coming up on retire.

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and what do I do with myself, Josh?

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And I've got a lot of things I write.

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I do.

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So I like, I can't imagine, I don't even know what would happen

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if I was like a full time leader.

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And then I turned to switch one day and said, I'm retired.

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Yeah.

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I think God, I would be frozen.

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I wouldn't know what to do.

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I would need help and it would take me a while to make that transition.

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So I've got stuff and it's still.

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What do you do and thinking about yourself and thinking about what you

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love and thinking about what gives you joy and what gives you energy, right?

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I think that's, I think all of us should do that to some degree it's take a

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walk outside and just figure that out.

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That's, I'm just extending the message.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The last time we talked about this, we talked about the antithesis of it and.

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Command and control leader.

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They always get what they want.

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They always, because that's who they are, but that's not who we are.

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So there are folks that are out there doing it, but it doesn't really fit

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with the listeners that we have here.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So that was my big one.

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I got a couple other small ones in there.

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Okay.

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you, What do you have?

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Do you have anything?

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I don't know.

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I'm still thinking about it.

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The one learning this is a rerecording Meer, so I'm trying.

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I'm trying to, I'm trying to remember which is challenging me.

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What I was saying.

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One thing for me is I've reflected on and we talked about this the other day.

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I think I've become too passive.

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Yeah.

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And I think I've become too neutral.

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And I worry about, in my coaching, in my like I've rewritten articles to soften

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messages, I've softened my coaching.

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I was in a session the other day and I literally said I said, I

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hope this doesn't piss people off.

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And I pulled back on my comment.

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And I realized that's doing me and doing my platform and is probably doing

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listeners or the people that a disservice.

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I want to get a little bit more prickly , now I'm prickly with you,

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but in a different, I have a platform.

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Yeah.

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And I have experience and I, I should call BS on things more safe is one of those

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things that I tap dance around nowadays.

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Believe it or not.

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Yeah.

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People know where I stand.

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but safe is continually, they're continually adding certifications.

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They're continually adding layers.

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They're continually, they're continuing to in to incorporate

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or assimilate like UX and things.

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It's like a black hole.

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Yeah.

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It keeps sucking.

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Because it wants to be everything, it keeps sucking things in

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now I'm not now I'm prickly.

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Yeah.

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And while safe is doing that over the last few years, I'm

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getting softer and oh, it's okay.

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Maybe it's okay.

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No, it's not.

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Okay.

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So I don't think it's okay to do safe.

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I compromise too much and it's not safe.

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It's more the principles.

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So maybe being clear and being a little bit more leveraging

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my backbone a little bit.

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Yeah.

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You've always softened things.

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Like the classic Bob Galen of I know which go ahead.

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I'm not poking or whatever.

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Yeah.

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It was like, but then you poke right after you say, but I should poke.

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Yeah.

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I should just poke.

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Yeah.

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That's a perfect example.

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Or I'm not trying to paint this in a bad light.

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Yeah.

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So I, yeah.

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And I've gotten dinged for that.

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So I you're right.

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I've classically done that.

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I think I've gotten worse at over history.

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I've been making that same transition myself, mostly in my writing.

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I find that and yes, there's like the active and passive voice, like in the

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English and everything goes along with that, but like having a more active

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stance of, instead of saying, I think I just say it, yes, this is bad.

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Or adverbs, like I end up softening things like that.

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to your point.

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I feel like I'm not providing as much value because I'm not giving the people

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that are paying me a definitive stance.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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So as I've re returned in, into the consulting world, that flipped that

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switch for me, where these people are paying me for answers and answers

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right now and dragging it out.

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Isn't what they need.

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So I have to be that prickly guy, is however you wanna frame.

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I think of it as a legacy thing for me too.

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I'm not, again, it goes back to summer retirement and I, I don't have an infinite

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number of years of being an influencer.

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So my window of influence is narrowing.

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So let's not waste my shots.

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Let's start being a straight shooter more than when it's a, when it's appropriate.

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Be a freaking straight shooter.

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Yeah.

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Like Alexander Hamilton.

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Yeah.

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Stop.

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Worrying about stop wor right worrying about it.

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Or are you.

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Step on some toes or something.

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So that's something I've learned.

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It's a reflection thing and I want to recommit.

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I won't be perfect.

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I'll still, I have those habits and I'm still agreed, but I need

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to start straight shooting more and that's something, I think that

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it'll do me a good, better service.

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It'll do listeners it'll do the content of better service.

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Agreed.

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So last thing for me, is that I have realized I inadvertently

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painted myself into a corner.

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So as I set up CAHSI and my consulting business, it was all tech focused.

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And as I've been in different roles, such as the COO role and help CEOs

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that I've realized the same problems exist everywhere, it's still work.

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We always talk about in agile or scrum, whatever methodology

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you want to use, that work is.

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and that applies across the board and the same challenges

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software teams have in delivering.

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So does every other part of the organization that has to work on

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a large complex project and get it done well, and somewhat on time,

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whenever on time means, right?

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That's a that's everywhere.

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And so I'm trying to expand the area of influence.

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I'm going to have with the content that I'm going to create by

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having it not be so tech focused.

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Yes.

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That's what got me here, but I believe there's value that I can provide

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anywhere across an organization.

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Sharing more of your experience.

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I think if I'm getting you right.

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I think of generalizing my experience.

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Now as.

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Of my legacy.

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So not talking about coach, not talking about agile software coach,

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Bob experience, but more so Bob leader experience or Bob company experience

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and things like that, that these are just gen generic lessons that

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are well learned and sharing them.

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Is that aligned with what you're talking about or what I've found is that what

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I get most excited about is growth.

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So I'm like reframing it as the growth.

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Whether you are an individual that is moving into a new role and it's larger

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responsibility and you're a little unsure imposter syndrome type things.

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Okay.

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Or anything like that, where any person is having a transition or they want

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to make a transition in their career.

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And they're stuck.

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So helping people that are taking that first step or people that want

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to take that first step, supporting them in making that happen.

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And then of course, with an organization where I've spent most of my.

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Has been where they are stuck and they need to get unstuck to unlock

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the growth and to get the investment, or they got the investment.

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And now what the heck do we do with this?

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How do we make all of this happen?

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That's where I spent the last 20 years.

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And that's what I get excited about.

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So I'm trying to focus on any company, any person that is in

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that growth period or wants to be.

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So if you hung up a shingle, it would be the growth coach.

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Josh Anderson growth coach.

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Now that growth coach could be one on one growth coaching or

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organizational growth coaching.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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And people can go to csi.io and sign up right now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I re I rework the website to be framed in that position.

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And I'm gonna start talking about it more like that.

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Cause that's what makes me happy.

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You know what though?

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It's yes.

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But I also think we pigeonhole ourselves.

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Maybe the learning there is you've been too narrowly defining yourselves.

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Yes, I did the same thing with the evac book, my extraordinarily

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badass agile coaching book.

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And I've been trying to unwind that in presentations, but the very title.

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So I like the title, but I regret the title because the title implies

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that this is a book for agile.

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If you have agile coaching in your in your business card, this book's for you.

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Otherwise ignore it.

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But if you, but that's not my intent, the intent is these are coaching

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competency skills for anyone, right?

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So leaders, managers, product owners, scrum masters, agile

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coaches, anyone team members.

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Be a better coach.

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And so I've I think in J maybe this goes back to be prickly , but

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also be broader for me is I've been too narrow in my niche.

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Yeah.

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That's exactly how I feel.

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So that.

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The switch I'm trying to flip.

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Yeah.

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And it's, and it really is unfortunate.

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And a lot of our discussions have been broad , but it there's this perception,

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the branding has been narrow right.

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Narrower than what we talk about.

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And we need to start, we should lean into it really being meta.

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Yeah.

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Oh my God.

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The name might actually make sense now.

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Make sense for a while.

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no, that's, it's true, right?

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It's absolutely true.

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. Is there any more learning for me?

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I don't think so.

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Why don't we switch into what's next or going forward?

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Yeah, the stuff we're thinking about going forward I can start.

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Okay, cool.

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And you and I have talked about this, inviting more people and

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there's a tool aspect to this.

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We need to figure out, but I don't know.

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It's a virtual tool.

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Where you can get like 2, 3, 4 way people and the sound quality is

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good and the video quality is good.

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So I want to do both.

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So I, I, we can, you can publish videos yeah.

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And audio.

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But so that we can invite guests to the MetCast and we can do it seamlessly.

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And I wanna start using increasing the platform that.

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And it's not just agile voices.

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So it would be agile voices, but it would also be diversity and inclusion voices.

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I've actually I talked about having invited my daughter.

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And my daughter.

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And you talked about inviting in the last session.

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Yeah.

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We talked about inviting our daughters that would be broadening it inviting

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folks that we don't wouldn't normally they're not in the agile space.

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I think of anyone, you could meet someone who's provided a creative thing.

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Part of it is actually it aligns with the learning, expanding our brand.

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And not narrowing our brand.

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The other part is leveraging, I think, going forward, leveraging our

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platform for other people and giving, giving our platform to other people.

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Yeah.

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I, and I'd almost in a perfect world.

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I'd love to oscillate and say one time, you and I record a MetCast and then

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we have a guest and we have a queue of guests, and they're interesting.

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And we're just exploring stuff or, two people or whatever it is.

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The other things is I'd like to get contention.

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I, we do strive for that, but we don't always get it.

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Yeah, we have.

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I, so I'd like to maybe it's part, so here, now that invite a safe

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consultant and really go at it I'd really like to go at it and maybe

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be, and not maybe be open minded.

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And really see what they have to say.

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And I want them to hear what we have to say.

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Yeah.

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See where they end.

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I would like to do the same thing with some of the free

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estimate F or no estimate folks.

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Yeah.

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Just, I have a fundamental disagreement with that, but they're smart

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people that I value their opinions on, but we never put on a table.

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We've.

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Tweeted back and forth once or twice, but nothing we've never dug in.

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So think that would be part of the inviting folks.

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I think there would be a precursor to that of stay open minded.

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Yeah.

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I don't want it to turn into a.

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FTA cuffs.

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Yeah, totally.

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But I want it to be like this exploration with mutual respect along the way, but

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there, no, I think we have to, there's some people that we couldn't fight

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that would turn into an odd debate.

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I, healthy debates would be open, so that's something I'd

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like to, I want us to do not.

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I'd like to see us to do that's going forward.

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What about you?

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So in support of that, probably the biggest change that I'm making is

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I'm starting a production company.

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Because of all the things that we want to do yes, we can do that for ourselves,

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but just as we do with the podcast, I think there's so many other people

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that could use that and I could support other creators in the area that maybe.

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don't have the setup that are putting that single USB microphone on a table between

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us like you and I did a long time ago.

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And then our listeners were like, can you please fix the audio?

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It's terrible.

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Yeah.

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And provide that as a service as well.

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But I also need to start, as you talked about expanding the channels that

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we're in and getting better at that.

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So I'm gonna be looking for an.

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To come on and be a part to help us with the audio, the video,

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everything that goes along with that, to make this as quality as can be.

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There's no reason it can't be of higher quality.

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Do you remember the podcast?

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Group we put on was I forget what it was called.

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A group of podcasters.

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It was like a, you named it vaguely.

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Oh, the agile podcast network.

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Yeah.

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But it never, we really, yeah.

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We ne we never see, we never watered it or fed it right.

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Or miracle growed it, but that's such a, I've run into a few not a lot, but there's

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two, two women in the UK that are doing a podcast that are doing really cool things.

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And I'm like, oh, it would be nice to get them into the network.

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Yeah.

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Is that part of what you're thinking?

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Something like that, or that totally could be a component, but

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having the technology, having it.

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easily accessible to be able to rent out the space, rent out the

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technology, do whatever that is.

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But also we've been, one of the things that led us to this break over the

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summer was we felt that we got pickled, which is one of the episodes that we

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talked about and don't let that happen.

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But we realized we had just been doing the same thing over and over again and saying

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like, why isn't our, why aren't we yeah.

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Affecting more people or whatever it might be.

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And we.

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Hadn't changed things.

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So I just, the only way we're gonna change things is if we take bold strokes and I

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think this is a bold stroke and there's things that I wanna do, personally,

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I'm setting up a calendar where I'm gonna publish content six days a week

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and across all different channels.

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So for me to do that, because I think that will help us and help me

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personally, with the things that I'm trying to do, that just has to happen.

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I can.

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Thinking about it and stop talking about it.

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There's items in my Amazon cart that I know I need, I know I need to buy.

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Yep.

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And I haven't hit the buy now or whatever button.

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So part of me never wants to slam you because you do all ERs and you

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heard you do all the technical work so I can't, but at the same time,

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you've talked a lot about ideas.

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We have both of.

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But your bandwidth has always been an inhibitor to things right.

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Or just, I have more control of that now, right?

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Yeah.

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But so I wanted to put that out there.

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Yeah.

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And, but then I've always felt that your joy was content.

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Yeah.

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Like one of your, one of your joy things that you've talked about.

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So there was this like tension between time and your joy is like

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a content per so it sounds like you're leaning into your yeah.

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Your joy.

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Yes, no, no PS.

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Yeah.

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I am not looking for CXO jobs.

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Yeah.

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Anymore that's just off the table.

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So now I'm really leaning into charting my own path, operating with

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that growth coach mindset, where I find real joy of accelerating people.

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So it would be that and this compliments that to yes, exactly.

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Doesn't it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I can see you like taking someone.

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So if I'm just excited about it, I wanna explore just a second.

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Sure.

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So if someone's out there and they wanted to podcast in the local

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area, or even they were in Washington state or something and they're,

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they have a, they're a newbie.

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You could growth coach them into what it looks like.

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Yeah.

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Or if they're local, you would say, I've gotta setup up for you.

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Come on in and I'll show you how to do this.

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Or something.

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So all of those things, just content.

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Yes.

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All right.

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Cool, cool.

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And broader content.

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So not narrow agile.

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Yeah.

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It does not be, it could be life content.

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It's gonna be life content.

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Like I've gotta puppy or kids sport.

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So puppy kids, sports content.

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Yeah.

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I forget which day of the week is specified as river.

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That's the name of my puppy's.

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That's like you got puppy day.

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Yeah.

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Oh, that's cool.

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Cause everybody loves dogs, right?

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It's if you publish a dog or cat video, everybody's gonna like it.

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So you're like doubling down on my wife.

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You being my wife's favorite, so you suck, you just suck.

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Oh my God.

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Now I'm gonna be just like cooking for you constantly.

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It's a private, it's a private thing that a casters, but you've heard us before.

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Talk about Josh is my wife's favorite person.

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She's my biggest.

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She is your biggest medicas fan.

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Yeah she is a fan.

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It's great.

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Where, what.

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We've talked about doing regular, like a regular tempo.

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I think that's a change for us a little bit.

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Even though we've been regular in the long term, we haven't been, we've

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talked about weekly and really Batten down the hatches on that as part of

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weekly, which we've talked about yeah.

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A dozen times, but we always fall off of that.

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But really, and get ahead.

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Yep.

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We haven't talked about it, but getting a little bit of ahead so we can get sick

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or get a vacation or something like that.

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But we don't lose our tempo.

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So that's something we're gonna.

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Anything else I'm gonna go forward?

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I don't think so.

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Those are big swings Meers.

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I put something on LinkedIn.

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I'd like to hear ideas for you.

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I would love to hear ideas for topics, but I would more love to hear ideas

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for guests and potential guests ERs, even if you wanna come in as a guest.

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So it's not just guest suggestions.

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If you'd like to come.

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And have your voice heard.

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And remember, it's not just agile, we're not just talking about sprint

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planning, we're talking about anything.

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Something truly the meta cast.

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Yeah.

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We need to, we, I like it's taken us 12 plus years to

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actually align with the name.

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That's you can teach an old dog new tricks after 12 years.

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That's funny.

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What, anything else?

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Josh?

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I'm excited.

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I think you can hear the excitement in our voices because we did get in a Ru.

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but luckily we recognized it hit the pause button, spent time thinking to ourselves.

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We actually didn't communicate very much during the summer at all.

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And I think that was healthy for us to get back together and have that.

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The excitement didn't go away.

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It wasn't like an old marriage, but it was just like, That break helped.

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And it gave us both the opportunity to explore thoughts and ideas

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where we weren't just continuously sprinting at the next episode, cuz

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that's really what happens like okay.

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The next episode.

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Okay.

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We should think about this other stuff.

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But the next episode I want to though come back and say, yes, we got stale

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or pickled or whatever, to some degree.

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We also recognize that our recipe oh yeah.

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That's a good point has validity.

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So it's not that we're sitting here going, oh, we're kicking ourselves.

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So it's yes.

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And yes.

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And though Meers Josh is not gonna change.

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He's gonna be the same old Josh Anderson and I love.

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and he's gonna bring every bit of himself and his genuineness, all of the

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strengths, and I'm gonna be the same old.

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And I'm just gonna get a little more, more prick, more prickly.

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Yeah.

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A little bit more, but I've always been a little prickly.

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Yeah.

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As you well know.

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The same snarky humor or stupid humor, dad, humor, dad jokes.

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It's gonna be a balance and we're not gonna lose our essence

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is what I'm trying to say.

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Yeah.

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I, we are intentionally not gonna lose the essence of who we are and what we're.

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we are not gonna be the new Coke that comes out for those of you that were

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around when that happened 30 years ago.

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Yeah.

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Maybe Coke came out with a new flavor.

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Yep.

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And like the world revolted.

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So then it became, they had to bring Coke classic.

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Yeah.

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Back.

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There's one thing that we're doing new that you didn't bring up.

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What's that?

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I wouldn't say we, I.

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So I'm just, I who have always been the wing it person have

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invested in being prepared.

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So me casters, I, Josh Joshua cube Anderson is holding a piece of paper

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folded in half in front of him.

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And it's not blank.

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It's got words on it in a sequential order with ideas.

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I E he has.

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Some things for this MetCast and he's gonna continue to plan, I

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know, pick yourself up off the floor, get up, dust yourself off.

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Have a shot of your favorite.

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Oh yeah.

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Cuz you need it.

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I know.

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But Josh is going to be planning.

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Yeah.

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After reflecting, anytime we rerecord, we've done.

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because we had an idea of the flow.

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We had some thoughts out, we shared that, what's really, and we just did.

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You're absolutely right.

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Yeah, we did.

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I think we're doing better this time than we did the last time.

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Yep.

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You're absolutely right.

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ER, is the snarkiness in here is.

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When we started the MetCast in my wet behind the ears.

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I've sent, I, I probably have this on my computer, but I've sent Josh things.

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I tried to like word doc.

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God helped me when I send a word document, but I've sent him word documents, PDFs.

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I've invited him to Google docs.

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I've organized things.

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I printed them out.

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I took them down to Fuqua arena, handed, multiple copies, handed him his copy.

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He crumbled it up.

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It's.

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So he was very anti planning and I just backed off.

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I'm like, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna be the wing it brothers, and

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we're just gonna have to wing it.

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And that's cool.

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There's something to be said for that, but I think the quality, all seriousness,

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I think our quality is higher when we do a little bit of preplanning.

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Yes.

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Now not Corey Bryant.

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I don't know if you've ever talked to Corey.

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Have you ever talked to Corey uh, on his deliver podcast lately?

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And did he give you the, did he give you the pre-work?

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Did he ever send it to you?

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I think he might have sent it to me and then I just stopped there or it probably

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your head probably exploded like Corey.

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So anyone Corey's very meticulous.

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He talks about like the pre-discussion and then the topical

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discussion and the breakdown.

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We're not gonna be there, but that works for Corey that works for him.

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And so what we found is that little bit of looseness works for us.

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Yes.

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And we don't want to.

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We wanna honor that and recognize it and know that's part of

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the reason you are listening.

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Yeah.

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But we believe we can provide more value to you, which is the larger reason why we

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do this by being a little bit more prep.

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I guess I should say that I will be a little bit more prepped and we

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just believe the content's better.

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No, I've turned into you.

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I'm sorry.

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I I'm so bad.

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I'm a Wininger now at least when it comes to not in anything else.

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To trust me I still everything else, but with the Medicare.

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So you came with the notes the other day and like we practiced, but I need

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I need to start coming back to planning and thinking about, we've talked

:

about like having a theme, right?

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Not pulling it out of thin air, like 10 minutes before.

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And then part of that is like, thinking about what are some, the possible

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threads that we might pull on that I, and I think that's powerful.

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I'm just.

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I have to work on getting better at that again.

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I think you'll snap right back into, I will snap trust me trust because

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the rest of your life, I'm a planner.

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So we, I think we're cool.

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Yeah.

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So get us your feedback Meers.

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We are back we're back.

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We're hot in the saddle.

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It's the best of the old he's laughed at me.

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I dunno what that means, saddle.

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I dunno what that means.

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I don't know what it means.

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I don't know what it means either, but it just, but we're hot in the saddle.

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And we're ready to go forward.

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And and I think it's gonna be a really exciting next couple

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of years for the Medicare.

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And I'm really particularly jazzed about your content stuff.

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Me too.

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This is something I've been talking about saying I wanted to do for

:

a while and it's just alright.

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This is in your sweet spot.

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Yep.

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And it's and it's a place where you can grow and explore and

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I'm looking forward to that.

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All right.

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So from beautiful downtown Kerry, North Carolina, I'm Bob gall and I'm Josh

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Anderson shake and big take care of y'all.

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